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Feb. 16, 2026

Moms After Dark Where Dori, Bobbi and Shirley Talk About Pam Bondi

Pam Bondi was called before Congress last week to answer questions and Dori, Bobbi and Shirley talk about what happened!

On this episode of Moms After Dark, Dori, Bobbi and Shirley take the gloves off!

Pam Bondi became Florida’s first female Attorney General in 2010, serving until 2019. After her term, she worked as a registered lobbyist for Qatar at Ballard Partners and joined Trump’s legal team during his impeachment trial. Bondi continued supporting Trump post-2020 election and held leadership roles at the America First Policy Institute.

After Matt Gaetz withdrew, Trump nominated Bondi for US Attorney General; she was confirmed on February 4, 2025, and sworn in as the 87th attorney general. July 7, 2025 The Justice Department released a memo stating there is no evidence that Jeffrey Epstein, accused of sex trafficking, kept a “client list” or was murdered. Several right-wing media figures suggested the government was concealing information about Epstein, who died by suicide in 2019 while awaiting trial. Some promoted the theory that Epstein had a secret “client list” to use as blackmail against prominent individuals. In a February Fox News interview, Bondi claimed a client list was "sitting on my desk right now to review."

Last week, the Senate summoned Pam Bondi to Capitol Hill to answer questions regarding the Epstein files. Pursuant to the Epstein Transparency Act that was passed on November 19th, 2025 by the house and senate, the DOJ was required to release all remaining files regarding the child trafficking network that has captured so much of the country's attention since the tranche of files were released in early 2025. The Epstein Transparency Act required the release of all of the files by December 19th, 2025 with ONLY the victims names redacted, the perpetrators' names were to be revealed. The DOJ failed to meet the deadline, instead making a document dump of approximately 3 million documents on Friday, January 30th, 2026.

The myriad claims of rape, torture, murder, and cannibalism shocked the senses of all who read. Even worse, this violence toward the world's children has been known by members of the government, some news outlets, and especially Kash Patel's FBI and Pam Bondi's DOJ. Because of the vast conspiracy to cover up the crimes of the ultra-wealthy and deny their existence, Pam Bondi was called before Congress last week to answer questions.

Join host Dori DeCarlo along with Bobbi Hughes-Millman and Shirley B. Novak as we talk about Pam Bondi and her turning the DOJ into a shield for the sitting president and more. Tune in to other Moms After Dark podcasts and follow us on our Facebook page to share your thoughts.

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Hello, everyone, Welcome to Word of Mom Radio. Here on

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the Word of Mom Media Network. You are on Mom's

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After Dark. I'm your host Dori Di Carlo, and tonight

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I am here with Bobby and Shirley and we are

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going to be talking about Hambondie. I'd like to give

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you a little background on this woman before we start

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this conversation. In twenty ten, she became Florida's thirty seventh

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Attorney General and the first woman to hold the office.

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From twenty eleven to twenty nineteen. After completing her term

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as Attorney General, she joined Ballard Partners, serving as a

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registered foreign agent and lobbyist for Katar. That same year,

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she became part of the Office of the White House

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Council under Donald Trump and joined the legal team offending

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him during his first impeachment. Drawing from her background as

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state attorney general and experienced litigator, Bondi contributed significantly to

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the defense, focusing her arguments on procedural fairness. In twenty twenty,

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she returned to ballot partners and continued to be an

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influential member of Trump's circle. She vocally supported his claims

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of fraud and corruption after the twenty twenty presidential election.

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Those allegations were later disproven. She also served as chair

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for the Center of Litigation and co chair for the

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Center of Law and Justice at the American First Policy Institute,

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a think tank established to uphold Trump's public policies. He

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nominated her for US Attorney General after Congressman Matt Gates

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withdrew his investigation due to ethics violations, and was confirmed

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by the Senate in February of twenty twenty five and

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sworn in as Attorney General on July seventh. The Justice

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Department released a memo stating there was no evidence that

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Jeffrey Epstein, accused of sex trafficking, kept a client list

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or was murdered. Several right wing media figures suggested the

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government was concealing information about Epstein, who died by suicide

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I do my finger quotes while awaiting trial. Some promoted

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the theory that Epstein had a secret client list to

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use to blackmail against prominent individuals, and in February, Fox

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News interviewed Bondi and claimed that the client list was

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sitting on her desk right now to review. This brings

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us to last week, the Senate summoned Pam Bondy to

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Capitol Hill to answer questions regarding the Epstein's files. Pursuing

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too the Epstein Transparency Act that was passed on November

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nineteenth and twenty twenty five by the House and Senate,

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the DOJ was required to release all remaining files regarding

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the child trafficking network that has captured so much of

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the country's attention since the tranche of files were released

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in early twenty twenty five. The Epstein Transparency Act required

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the release of all the files by December nineteenth, twenty

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twenty five, with only the victims' names redacted. The perpetrator's

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names were supposed to be revealed. The DOJ has failed

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to meet the deadline, instead making a document dump of

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approximately three million documents on Friday, January thirtieth, twenty twenty six.

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What these documents revealed was shocking to everyone who took

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the treeedom Revelations of the wealthy having access to young children,

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boys and girls, beginning at the age of nine, and

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that wasn't the worst we saw a myriad of claims

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of rape, torture, murder, and cannibalism shocked the senses of

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all who read this. Even worse, the violence towards the

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world's children has been known by members of the government,

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some newsley outlets, and especially Cash Bettel's FBI and Pam

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Bondi's DOJ because of the vast conspiracy to cover up

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the crimes of the ultra wealthy and deny their existence.

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Pambondi was called before the Congress last week to answer questions,

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and we were all witness to what that hearing became.

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I'm gonna let Bobby in first, just to talk about

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how long this has really been going on. So Bobby,

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come on in.

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From everything we've seen in the files, it's clear that

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a lot of the reports that have been received by

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the FBI and the DOJ over the years, this has

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been happening since the nineteen eighties, the nineteen eighties, nineties,

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and then into the two thousands. This soul structure, this

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network of people of wealthy politicians and people in the

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entertainment industries, people corporate professionals, has been going on for

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a long time. And what keeps coming back to my

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mind over and over again, is how do we remain

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a world leader known for protecting our allies when we

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failed to protect the world's children from these monsters. The

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FBI has known for generations that this was happening. News

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outlets ignored a book by renowned crime thriller author James

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Patterson called Filthy Rich, written about Jeffrey Epstein. He went

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to several different news outlets, and the only ones who

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would do anything were the Wall Street Journal and the

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Miami Herald. And there is even a letter that James

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Petperson had posted on social media. There are a series

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of emails between Jeffrey Epstein and other people involved regarding

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his book and how they were going to handle it.

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I did not know that the.

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FBI and the DOJ, and the CIA and probably the

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NSA have all known four years and have failed to

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protect the world's children. I don't say just America's children,

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because there were children from Asian countries, children from Russia,

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from all over the globe who they brought to Epstein

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Island or to two other places. And the United States

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right now is the only country where our prosecutors are

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covering it up. Pam Bondi has reportedly said that suing

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every individual named in the documents could have severely destabilizing

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consequences for established political and legal institutions. And there are

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many Americans right now, including people who voted for Donald Trump,

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who say, let those institutions burn if this is what

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they are built on.

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Absolutely, I mean, look at how many think about it.

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How many CEOs have stepped down already just because their

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names were mentioned, and they were like before I drag

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my business down. People have sold their businesses, they've stepped

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down as CEOs, CFOs and everything else walking out. And

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just like you said, it is not just the United

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States children, it is the world's children. And the thing

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is right now, because the world has the unredacted, what's

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going to wind up happening is other countries are going

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to wind up suing our pedophile in chief and so

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many of his administration. The United States doesn't have the

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balls to do it ourselves. It's disgusting because to me,

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Pam Bondi is our presidents Giselaine Maxwell, she is the

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one who is making sure that he is not prosecuted

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for any of it. And what happened at those hearings,

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I'm going to bring Shirley in because she and I

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both watched them, and I want your perspective, surely of

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what you actually saw and heard this woman say.

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Okay, Well, I was totally disgusted. I had to do everything.

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I could not shut it off because I couldn't believe

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that this was happening. It was a shouting match. There

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was nothing normal about that hearing. She screamed at every

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single Democrat that was asking her questions. But the thing

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that hurt me the most was when all the victims

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stood up and she would not turn around to look

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at them. And on her first week as attorney general,

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someone called her secretary and she said, excuse me, I'm

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I'm an attorney general. And they said, oh, I couldn't tell.

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It's so nicely, Shirley, she said, she was shouting the

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entire time. It was absolutely insane.

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Well, what she said to Jamie Raskin, I mean, she

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called Jamie Raskin out and told them he was a

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washed up old attorney who's really not even an attorney.

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It's like, because we're here in a hearing to talk

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about the files that you not only when you finally

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let out the millions of documents you took out the

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names of the purpeture raiders and left those women's name in,

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many of who have never told people that they were

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victims of Epstein.

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But do What I don't understand is that what part

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of America is allowing this to happen right now?

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This Republicans?

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Yeah, but what does he have over them? What does

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he have over everybody? Fear But that's not not all,

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but a lot of them fear him. But you know,

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the thing that really gets me about that that statement

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regarding the.

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Dow Dori and Shirley oh yeah, is the fact that

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the dow being over fifty thousand. Do you do know

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that the victims of these crimes were victimized by most

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of the people who are gaining from the dow being

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a fifty thousand?

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It's so mind blowing to me that this woman who

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campaigned when she was in Florida about cracking down on

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the sex trafficking. Meanwhile, this was when Epstein was in

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Florida running his sex ring. It's talking out of both

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sides of your mouth.

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A streetheart deal too, when from the prosecutors there from Wow,

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what was his name? Who ended up in Trump's Deshwitz

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helean Dershwitz wasn't that. I couldn't believe it.

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I couldn't Alan Dershowitz.

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But remember he was a great lawyer.

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But when he was.

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A great lawyer, Dershowitz, he was, Yes, he was.

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Now he's one of the Epstein girls was forced to

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be with him.

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According to what what the what one of them said.

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We heard it on sixty minutes when they all of

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that came out with Virginia Jiffrey and all the other girls.

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One of the girls from mar A Lago was forced

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to be with Dershwitz and he became what was he

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in's first term? I don't even remember, but that guy

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gave a sweetheart deal to a pedophile who ran this ring,

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and he had to know. He had to know what

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was going on in that entire ring. And Jeffrey Epstein

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was even though he was in prison to sleep, he

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still was released for twelve hours during the day, he

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had the opportunity to abuse more girls and boys.

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Well, come on, Elaine Maxwell, right now, who is in a.

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Country He's in the sorority.

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A country club prison, which federally basis against the law

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because sex offenders are not allowed in minimum security prisons.

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But again, what does the law matter to this man

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in office. He's getting ready to do the Save Act

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and do the executive order, not understanding that constitutionally, the

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president cannot issue a blanket federal order about states and

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their voting rights. Constitutionally, each state's constitution it talks about

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what their voting rights are, mail in voting, all of

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these different things. It is run state by state. It

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is not up to the federal government, and the president

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cannot just decide to sign a law and they have

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to do what he says. The Red States, most of

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them will do it, you know, but the Democratic States

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aren't going to follow this.

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It's you know what, it's unbelievable.

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And again we have a Department of Justice that this

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guy is now using as his personal vendetta. She has

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been out there trying to prosecute Letitia James. And I

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can't think of all of them, all of these people, mean,

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what has happened. It's all gotten thrown out, every bit

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of it, because they didn't do anything wrong. They're prosecuting

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a freaking felon.

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Because he is a five year old who just wants

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revenge on his enemies. I was a child of the fifties.

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I grew up in the fifties. I knew the best

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of times, even the worst of times were the best

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of times because whoever was president, whether it be Eisenhower, JFK,

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they had the heart of America right and they showed

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us what America should be and what it was. This

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is blowing my mind what's going on right now. I

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can't even believe it. I mean, even the worst president

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before Trump was not nearly as bad as him.

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This is.

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Ronald Reagan, who the trickle down economics and all of

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those failed policies. He's the one who lowered the FCC

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rulings and stuff like that. But the flip side of Reagan,

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when he talked about immigration, he talked about people coming

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to this country for a better life and that we

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would do what we needed to do to welcome them

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to our country. It was not until this man ran

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for office that all of a sudden elections were rigged

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and all of these other problems. It wasn't until him

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and fake news and everything else. Because you took it

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right out of the dictator's handbook that you discredit the

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press and anyone speaking out against you. You grab the

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lies and you never deviate from the lies that you

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are telling, because the idea is to get people to

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the point that they don't know what to believe anymore.

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And unfortunately that only happens uneducated people, because educated people

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look like you're full of crap and we know it,

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you know, but his base, that's why they don't know

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what to believe, and they believe him for whatever reason.

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It's unbelievable. But well, how did January sixth that that

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was one of the things that they asked her in

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that peering One of the guys who actually works for

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the Department of Justice was on tape talking about kill

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the cops and everything else while President Trump pardoned him.

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And it's like a pardon doesn't make you not guilty.

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And now he works for the government. Why because he

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has shown that he will go attack police for this man.

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That's what this has shown. And you know you had

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that one woman, because she's the only one that I

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heard who said, no, I do not I'm not taking

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a pardon. What I did was wrong and I'll serve

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my time in jail because I was wrong, I was duped,

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and I was an idiot, and I don't deserve to

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be part. But these are all the things, you know.

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It's like the head of the Cubans for Trump down

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in Florida, who they deported, reported him, they sent him

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back to Cuban. He's like, I campaign for you and

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everything else. It's like, dude, he actually said he was

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going to send people back to their countries. Did you

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think he wasn't gonna it wasn't gonna happen to you

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because you were one of his supporters. He doesn't care

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your skin color is wrong, dude. You know that's the reality.

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The bottom the bottom line is is that we are

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stuck now in an alternative universe that it's I can't

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even believe that this is what we're living with right now.

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Our country is now foe to Europe. We have always

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had great relations with our European members and Canada, I

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mean Canada, give me a break. My friends in Canada

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don't even call me anymore. It's so unreal and pathetic.

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I don't know. We certainly can't do three more years

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of this, although I don't think we're going to have to.

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But March tenth is the election in Georgia to replace

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Marjorie Taylor Green and I believe that if a Democrat

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takes that over, it now ties us in Congress.

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But he'll find a way to say it's fraud it's

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a fraudulent election.

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Well, he hasn't found a way to do it with

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any of the special elections, and they've lost all. They

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only won one. Every special election has been won by

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a Democrat. From Congress to Senate, to state Senate, state congress, governors, mayors,

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you name it. There's only been one Republican across the country,

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that is one. And he hasn't claimed falsehood. Flip side.

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You know this is the other thing. You know, because

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mister it's fake, I'm going to sue you. How come

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he hasn't sued anybody who's called him a pedophile because

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everybody else person, now one person who has accused him

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of these things.

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Why has not one person named him? That's what I'm

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curious about.

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They come on, there was that girl who named both

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him and Epstein, and then they found her with her

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head blown off, and the coroner said it's impossible for

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it to be suicide. That's why Thomas Massey, who has

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been speaking out against him, put out at the end

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the other day going I just want you to know,

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my car is fine, my tires are brand new.

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I'm not not suicide anything. But he has a target

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on his back.

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That's exactly right, and he's like, person, something happens to me.

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You know who did it?

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Virginia do you afraid? Didn't even think frump? And she

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said in her book that she was not suicidal.

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Right.

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And then again Katie Johnson, the one who came out

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in twenty sixteen, and she started receiving death threats. She's

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the one who she was thirteen and she had a

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witness and she started a lawsuit, but she received so

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many death threats that she pulled the lawsuit. And keep

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in mind, also what's in the files right now. The

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girls saw other children, people saw other children being killed,

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and they were told if they talked, they would be

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fertilizing the golf course. They knew they saw people who

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were killed and buried at Zoro Ranch. And then shortly

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after the FBI actually started investigating Jeffrey in what twenty eighteen,

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suddenly he bought six barrels of sulfuric acid. And the

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crazy thing is Steve Bannon. If you remember, Steve Bannon's

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rented a place in New York. There was near Jeffrey

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epste and it had a jacuzzi, and the jacuzzi the

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older of the place said, after Steve Bannon moved out,

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the jacuzzi was ruined by acid.

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Oh god, oh wow, I did not know that.

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You know that. Yeah, it's just crawling, you know.

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And if you breaking bad?

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How many times has Steve Bannon said, you know, if

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these democrats come back into power, we're all going to jail.

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Yeah, and they should and.

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Then they should, they should be on death row.

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They should.

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I want to bring up something that you had mentioned

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earlier story, and it's the fact that the three million

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documents and pictures and videos and everything that came out

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in the last trunch of Epstein documents, for what we read,

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what we saw in there was enough to make your

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stomach turn. But there are things that they are holding

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on to that they say are worse than that. Right,

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Pam Bondie has seen all those as Dory mentioned earlier,

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Pam Bondi has seen all of that stuff, the worst,

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worse than what we have already seen. And yet she

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is still defending the perpetrators of those violent crimes. How

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is that? How are they.

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Getting away with that because it hasn't happened to her child, right,

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it hasn't happened to Christy Nomah's child, It hasn't happened

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to be in Bondie's child, and it hasn't happened to

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Donald Trump's child. And until that happens, and I pray

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to God it doesn't. I don't want that to happen.

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But that's the only way these people will understand humans

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suffering from the actions, and that's what they're doing. They

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don't give a shit about human suffering. They don't care

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about anything. They don't care about taking responsibility for anything

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or acknowledging anything that's uncomfortable for them or that could

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point a finger towards them, and them being everyone in

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his cabinet, and he being the puppet master who is

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doing all this, and I don't understand what power he

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has over them. I mean, what breat does Caspertel have

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to be the head of the FBI.

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Well, because he's going to protect him as well. Representative ANNAPOLINEA.

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Luna put out a post pedophiles deserve the death penalty,

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not plea deals Elijah Manly FBI. She's threatening the president

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of the United States. That's a felony. That was his

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response to this. Okay, the FBI cash Betel. They have

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been covering up everything in these files is unbelievable. And

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again it's why Pam Bondi is the attorney general, because

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you had somebody there that was going to cover his ass,

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that's going to make sure he doesn't get prosecuted, that

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is going to attack the people who are speaking the

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truth and tell them your failed politicians. I'll answer it

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the way I want to answer it. It was like watching me.

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Oh my god, I couldn't believe she said that.

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Either it's so hard and we're trying to bring things

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to light. We are trying to make people understand what

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is going on here, and it's so hard not to

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just turn this into a complete bitch fest because of

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what is going on here and this is our country.

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Wasn't until this man took office the first time that

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we became red and blue. He campaigned on the fact

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that he was going to take revenge over anyone who

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hurt him, that he was going to be throwing people

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out of this country, and he was going to be

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transparent about Jeffrey Epstein. I mean that was a big thing.

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In the second that he became president. It was like,

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now it is your job to make sure that I

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don't go to jail for what I've done. And sadly

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it is going to be the other countries that because

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other women have been trafficked in there. He did not

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just take advantage of American girls. He took advantage of

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any girl that was there and any boy he wanted

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to too. And that is what's going to wind up happening.

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They're going to come after him. This is our country

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and we are watching our Department of Justice become his puppet,

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and our Supreme Court has altered the Constitution to give

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him carte blanche to do whatever he wants. Fortunately, they

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are actually starting to put a brakesun things, you know,

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things that have come up against him, and they're like no, no, no, no,

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wait a minute.

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No, because but they're not taking away his immunity.

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shirley novack

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Shirley B Novack is a first-generation daughter of Polish and Russian immigrants. She originally graduated from Fisher College in Boston with a degree in Laboratory Science. Still, after marrying and having three children, she returned to school and graduated from Newbury College with a degree in Interior Design. She has had a successful interior design practice since 1985, but her passion for writing was never far from the surface.
It was in February of 2022 that her dream of being a published author came true. Her book, The Story Of... , is loosely based on the life of her father. Although some of it is non-fiction, most of it is fictional.
Shirley, who is currently working on her next book,resides in Framingham, MA. with her husband Barry, and their precious Havanese, Stevie Nicks

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