April 1, 2026

Emma Lyons on The Coaching Corner with Dori DeCarlo

Emma Lyons on The Coaching Corner with Dori DeCarlo
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Emma Lyons on The Coaching Corner with Dori DeCarlo

Emma Lyons, founder of The Trauma Matrix, is here to help you Break Up With Shame!

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Emma Lyons is an Inner Power Coach and creator of The Trauma Matrix. She helps high-achieving women break free from the internalized narcissist, the shame voice that controls, humiliates, and exhausts them. A former human-rights law graduate turned trauma-informed healer, Emma exposes the nervous-system patterns behind self-doubt, burnout, and invisibility. Her work blends somatic healing, trauma decoding, and intuitive energy work to help women reclaim clarity, confidence, and self-trust—and finally stop mistaking control for safety.

Emma has a free gift for our listeners at Not Today Narc.

Join host Dori DeCarlo on The Coaching Corner and connect with Emma at TraumaMatrix.Substack.com and TraumaMatrix.com and on LinkedIn, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube.

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She is sure, she is straw is straw, She is true,

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is true, she is praise, pray, she is she is you.

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Hello, everyone, Welcome to today's Word of Mom Radio. Here

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on the Word of Mom Media Network. I'm your host,

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Dori Di Carlo. And you know we are here week

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after week, show after show, breaking those myths that mopreneurs

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and businesswomen, especially those of us building our businesses from home,

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that we're just dabbling in between bake sales and getting

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our nails done.

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We're not.

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We are smart, we are savvy, and we are sharing

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the wisdom of women in business and in life. And

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I look forward to bringing today's guest into our coaching corner.

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Emma Lyons is an inner power coach and creator of

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the Trauma Matrix. She helps high achieving women break free

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from the internalized narcissist, the shame voice that controls, humiliate,

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and exhausts them. A former human rights law graduate turned

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trauma informed healer, Emma exposes the nervous system patterns behind

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self doubt, burnout, and invisibility. Her work blends somatic healing,

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trauma decoding, and intuitive energy work to help women reclaim clarity, confidence,

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and self trust and finally stop mistaking control for safety.

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This is such an incredibly important message and I am

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very excited to be bringing Emma in. So with all

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that being said, Emma, welcome to Word of Mom Radio.

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Thank you so much for having me. Dori great to

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be here.

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Oh, it is my absolute pleasure, and I would love

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for you to take us on your journey that has

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led you to this and why it is so important

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to understand what that internalized narcissist is.

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Well, the inner narcissist, as I call it, is what

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other people call the inner critic. But what I've realized

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is that it takes every single one of the boxes

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of a narcissist, except in this case, the call is

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coming from inside the house. It's grandiose, itself important, it's

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got all these fantasies of success, feel special. You have

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to admire it, and it's entitled. It lacks empathy, it's

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envious of other people. The only thing that the only

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box that this is from the dsmy. By the way,

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these are the traits are characteristics of narcissists. The only

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thing that it doesn't fulfill is that it's interpersonally exploitative.

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It doesn't exploit other people, but it does exploit you,

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It feeds on you. It's like a parasite. It's not

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so much an inner critic that's there to look after you.

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It's more like a narcissist that tries to control you

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and keep you in your place, because it says, don't

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get up on that stage, don't who are you to

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start that podcast? Who do you think you are? This

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is about control. It's not about trying to keep you

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safe at all. It's about keeping you small, keeping you down.

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And everyone is saying, take take this thing to therapy

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and to send it love like it's a wounded child.

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That's not the way we deal with narcissist. We take

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back our power from narcissist, so we stop feeding them

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and it stops having so much power over us. That's

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how that's how you work with narcissists. And this voice,

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this so called inner critic, it's exactly the same. And

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when you stop feeding it, it stops having so much power.

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You take back your power. You stop feeding it with shame,

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and you stop performing for it and giving it narcissistic supply,

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and it loses its.

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Power over you.

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Because it's a power site. It's like every all the

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energy that this voice has, it all it extracts from you,

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and when you stop feeding it, that's when you take

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back your power.

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You know, it's so interesting because when you say that

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inner critic, it really is that narcissist. You know, people

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think of narcissism and that, oh, I'm so wonderful and

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things like that. They don't think of the narcissist that

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is constantly blaming you and shaming you and putting you

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down to make them feel better.

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Exactly, yeah, exactly. It's always about their comfort. And you know,

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narcissistic parents will say you can't be a singer, and

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we think they're trying to protect you, but they're not.

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They're trying to protect themselves. And the narciss that we

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internalize is the same thing. It's not trying to protect you.

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But everybody says that your inner critic is trying to

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keep you safe, But it's not trying to keep you safe,

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but it's trying to keep itself safe and keep you small.

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And when you start seeing that, you start taking your

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taking back your power from this thing rather than feeding it,

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which is what we do, you know, sending love to

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a narcissist, it just doesn't work, you know, taking it

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to therapy. It's a bad idea. And everybody is telling

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us to sit down and feel the shame and you know,

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to and we're just feeding this this this if you

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like this, this thing that's extracting from us all the time.

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And the reason why how I discovered this is, I mean,

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I've lived with a lot of shame since I was child.

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Was a child and I thought it was just me.

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I thought my family was normal. But I started realizing

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how dysfunctional my family was, and that you know, my mom,

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she takes pretty much all the boxes of the covert narcissist.

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And I realized that I had been the scapegoat all

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this time, and you know, it just made so much

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sense because from childhood, I've been suicidal, you know, I've

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felt like there was something wrong with me. I was

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constantly full of self attack. That just didn't make any sense.

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I just didn't understand. I thought it was just me.

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But when I started realizing how dysfunctional the family system was,

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and I realized that I had internalized that same narcissistic

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voice and used it against myself and then gone out

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in the world and seeing how this fractals out. You

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see this same pattern scapegoat enabler. You know, you see

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it in corporations, you see it in governments, you see

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in intergovernment networks, absolutely everywhewhere. We live in a narcissistic

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world and this is why narcissists are everywhere. And we

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internalize it because it's what we're taught, it's what we're

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you know, it's like the air that we're breathing. So

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of course we internalize it. And women, we've been collectively scapegoated,

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so we have that extra level you know of scapegoat.

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We've been scapegoated, collected, goateed collectively. So women we have

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we to reclaim our power. We need to stop saying

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stop saying yes to shame, and just stop feeding that

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really take back their power. And we do that when

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we stop being shameable. And the cool thing is with

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my system, as you can kind of when you stop

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this narcissist from shaming you, you become unshamable. I mean,

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let me give you. And it was talking to someone

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on a podcast a few weeks ago, and she was

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talking about, you know, her aunt when she was a child.

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They were out eating ice creams and she was a

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bit pudgy, and this brown adult comes up to them

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and says, you shouldn't eating ice cream, it'll make you fat.

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These girls, you know what they did. They could have imagined,

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they could have felt so much shame, they could have

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dropped their ice cream and run. Instead, they laughed and

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they kept eating their ice cream. And this is the

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power of becoming unshamable because with this narcissistic voice that

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we've internalized, we only experience shame when the voice agrees.

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When the voice doesn't agree, we're like, we see it

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for what it is, a projection. We laugh in their face.

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We don't take it in. We don't take in the shame.

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So my message is really about empowering women to stop

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taking other people's shame projections. Because you know, once you

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once you want to book this inner narcissis this internalized

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narciss you become unshameful. We reclaim are shameless because shame,

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shame is toxic one hundred percent and the time. And

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that's not what we're being taught. Our whole culture is

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operates and the whole kind I talk about the trauma matrix.

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The coding of the trauma matrix is shame. Shame means

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without shame, we wouldn't have intergenerational trauma. Shame is the

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glue that keeps that trauma running, you know, when we

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have an accident or something happens. You know, the reason

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why humans are still traumatized twenty years later is because

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of shame. And when we unhook ourselves from the shame,

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which is totally possible because shame is a cultural implant.

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When we unhook ourselves from this internal narciss we become unshameable.

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We reclaim our power, and this is the start of

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you know, living a limitless life because when you're unshamable,

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shame is the opposite of being authentically you. When you're

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carrying a lot of shame, you cannot be authentic because

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shame says ide you're not good enough. You have to

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put covers on, disguise yourself. When you become when you

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drop that shame and take back your power, like five

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million times, and this is what we as women really

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need to do, and nobody else is saying it out there,

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even Brene Brown. You know, people that talk about shame

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are experts that talk about shame. Pretty much all the

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people that talk about shame out there, talk about it

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as if it's something that we need to just get

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used to.

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You know.

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Brene Brown, for example, says, if you don't experience shame,

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that would make you a psych about and I fundamentally

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disagree with that. It just shows you how much shame

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has been normalized in our society. Shame is normalized. You know,

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even in our language. You have no shame. You're shameless,

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you're shameful. So you need to have the right amount

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of shame in order to be a good person. That's

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the messaging, and shame is kind of like a get

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out of jail free guard. I've done terrible things, I've

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killed people, but I feel shame about it, so that

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means I'm still a good person. Shame is terrible, it's

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a terrible gauge for shame change. So this whole idea

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that shane is a good compass of behavior, it's absolutely false.

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It's a delusion that we've all been under as a

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society because the whole matrix operates through shame. We need

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to have shamee be operating from shame in order to

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be manipulated by this, this matrix, this work, this narcissistic

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world that we all live in.

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It's amazing and you think about it, it goes back

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to the good girl, bad girl when we're little and

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you've done something and instead of a parent saying that

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action was not a good thing to do and everything,

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you know, you're being a bad girl. You've done a

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bad back, and you set these things. We kind of

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set these things in motion. And yeah, it's kind of crazy.

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Parents, teachers do it. Everyone does it, people on social

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media do It's everywhere. Shame is absolutely everywhere. It's the

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code system this for this dysfunctional world, narcissistic world that

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we live in. And the cool thing is we can

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unplug ourselves by unplugging from this shame. We don't need

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to wait for the world to change. We can unplug ourselves.

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And that's that's what I teach and help people to do.

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What does that process actually look like, Emma breaking up

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with that inner narcissist.

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Well, first of all, you've got to recognize, and this

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is an important thing that I hope people will get

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from this interview, that shame is totally useless. Shame is

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not a good way to change your behavior when you

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shame people, Like if you think of people in cults.

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You know, when you make criticisms of them or say something,

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they feel shamed and they go into people go into

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shame puts you into survival mode. That's what shame does.

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It puts you into survival mode. You feel like you're

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being attacked. You want to fight the people who have

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made the criticism. Shame makes people less likely to change

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rather than more. So, first of all, you've got to

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really realize that, and also realize that our whole culture

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is set up to promote shame as some kind of

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way to become a good person, and it just doesn't work.

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It's completely false. We narcissists, even psychopaths, they need their victim.

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Psychopaths they I mean Brenee Brown said that if you

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don't have shame, then you're a psychopath. But actually the

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real problem with psychopaths is that they have no empathy.

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And you need empathy in order to experience shame. And

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guess what, when you experience shame, it shuts down the

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parts of our brain that are open to empathize. So

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it shuts down our ability to empathize. And that's the

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real problem. Psychopaths problem is that they have no empathy,

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not that they have no shame. So you know, when

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we say to people, you have no shame, it's like

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we're promoting this idea that shame is you need shame

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in order to be a good person, and absolutely false.

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We need empathy, and shame shuts down our ability to empathize.

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So you've got to realize that first of all, and

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really take that in fully. And then I have an acronym.

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It's called break b r EAKA. So the first one

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is be break the trance. Recognize that this voice, whatever

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it says you're fat or ugly, you're got too many wrinkles,

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or you're too old or whatever, you're too young or whatever,

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recognize that this isn't your voice. It's a spell.

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It's a pattern.

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It's a trans state that we're all collectively and individualized

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individually under. So we want to catch it, interrupt it,

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and don't overthink it. Just recognized that it's a trance

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and nay may it starts to interrupt that loop instantly.

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Then you go on to R, which is refuse to

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engage because reminally, when the voice comes and says you're

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too older, we start fighting with it. We start engaging

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with This is the thing not to do with a narcissist.

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You know, so we want to, like Dr Ramany says,

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don't she talks about deep, don't defend, don't engage, don't explain,

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and don't personalize, to just say not today and then

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e expose the lie. So call out the shame based programming,

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recognize that this is control, that it's not your story,

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and shaking that truth starts to disarm its power. And

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then you go on to a which is anchored in

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your body. Because shame, it hijacks your system like no

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other emotion. That's why it talk. Shame is not a

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normal emotion. Shame is it's not even It's often defined

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as that belief that I'm bad or defective, but actually

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shame is the feeling that precedes that, and it's basically

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self attack. It's like discussed anger turned inwards, hatred. It's

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basically self attack. It's a bunch of it's a bunch

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of toxic moments motions that are all attacking the self.

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And then the belief that I'm bad or something's wrong

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with me kind of come downstream from that and it

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takes it hijacks your body. Not even fear can con

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bear I don't know if you've ever had a shame attack,

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but it's pretty it's pretty intense. So you want to

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anchor back in your body, come back to your body,

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feel your breath, plant your feet, say your name, the year,

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and really remind your nervous system that you're safe and

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that your sovereign and you're here. And then finally, kay

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kick it out. And this means like physically shaking that

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thing out, so and say this is not mine, this

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is not mine. And when you really you, when shame

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starts to strike, going through this process really freeze you.

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It means you do not You no longer take in

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that shame. Because shame is always a projection. We shame

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people because it gives us a little bit of Oh

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a narcissistic it's a narcissistic tool, but we all do

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it because when I shame you dory or make you

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feel bad or say something mean, I feel powerful. Suddenly,

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Oh I'm so powerful. Look I made her feel bad,

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you know, and I feel like I pass on some

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of the shame that I'm feeling. So this is why

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and pull each other down, you know, because we're carrying

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so much of that collective shame and just to diffuse it,

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we find someone else to escape. But and it gives

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us that little moment of power and the moments, but

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it's an illusion. That's not how we get rid of shame.

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We get rid of shame by releasing it, not by

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passing it on to someone else. That's just continuing the

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trauma matrix cycle.

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are speaking with em Allions about the Trauma Matrix, which

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is her company. And what you just said is so

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amazing because that whole shame blame game that goes on.

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It's part of why Word of Mom Radio began. Because

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my power comes from empowering other women. The more I

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see another woman rise, we say it all the time.

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When you win, we all win. So coming here and

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sharing what we do, empowering women to realize that no,

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say no is okay because there's a shame thing going

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in there. And the other mothers in the Mothers group,

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well you said no, Well why because you're just so busy. Yes,

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that's right, I am too busy to do this. Here's

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what I will do, and like you said, we shame

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each other all the time. We start with our kids,

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we do it with our friends, we do it with

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ourselves most of all. You know, Oh, shame on you

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for saying that no.

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Good for you.

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Good for you that you said no, good for you,

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that you stood up for yourself. Hooray, Get back up

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on that mountain. Yell loud enough that other women feel

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strong enough to empower themselves and not feel shame when

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they say no. You shouldn't feel ashamed. You shouldn't feel

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bad when you don't take on things that you don't

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have time to do. It's okay to say no. It's

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all of those things that are built in that we're

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just supposed to go all the time, all the time,

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all the time. It's like self care. Oh, that's so selfish,

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you took the time. No, self care is so important,

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you know, And so we do. We get into that

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whole amster wheel of just shame and all of the

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other things. And I'm sure you've heard it, because I've

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heard it too. How much of that shame talks you

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out of your dreams, talk to you. You want to create.

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And people pleasing like you were saluding to imposture syndrome,

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self doubt, self sabotage, procrastination, what are all these things?

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These are symptoms of shame. So where people are trying

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to help people with procrastination or imposter syndrome. But until

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you dress that underlying shame, you're not making a valuable,

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like long term change. It's just going to pop up

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somewhere else. Shame is the root, So I'm not about

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dealing with that root problem, and the problem is shame.

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So when we disconnect ourselves from shame, and that is

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a choice that you can make, and it's obviously we

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have to rehabituate ourselves because maybe you've been practicing shame

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for twenty thirty forty years, so your system has got

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used to it. You've been taught that shame is good

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for you, that if I shame myself not and it's

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not just women, by the way, look at the hustle culture.

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The hustle culture is shaming. You got to work hard,

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you've got to fight, you've got to prove yourself. It's shaming.

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You've got to prove that you're good enough. It's it's very,

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very shaming. So we're kind of hypnotized to believe that

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if I just shame myself enough, then I'll become better.

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And it doesn't work that the evidence just isn't there,

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that there's no evidence that that's true. If we look

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at like the way our system, the prison system, you know,

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it's very shaming people go out and commit the crime again.

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You know, shame is the worst possible way to get

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people to change their behavior. If there's a child here

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who's annoying me, and I shame him, he shuts up

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in the moment, so it looks very impressive. And this

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is why shame is so prevalent, because it looks impressive

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in the moment. I shame the person and they be quiet,

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and I might tell myself, I'm doing it to help

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the child, But no, when you shame someone, you're always

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putting yourself, your comfort first. So that's the thing to remember.

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Shame is always a manipulation one hundred percent of the time.

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It's it's the manipulation tool. And it's so normalized, like

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you've been saying, absolutely everywhere in our culture, absolutely in

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social media apps, everywhere, So we're breathing this in and

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we normalize that. We'd shame our kids, we shame our ourselves,

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and it does not make people change that's the thing.

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It's the worst possible way to try to get someone

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to change. You might get them to be quiet for

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the next five minutes, but they will not change the behavior.

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They won't have that awareness of why. They'll just have

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that awareness oh my god, I felt bad, so they'll

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be quiet in the moment and all of a sad.

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I'm on substack and someone said, we have to keep shame.

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How dare you try to shame? Shame? We need shame

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for pedophiles, and I'm like, well, that doesn't work that well,

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you know, apparently Epstein didn't get the memo.

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You know.

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So there's this idea that's everywhere that if you just

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shame people enough, they'll stop their behavior, and it just

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does not stand up to fact. Shame does not work.

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So we need accountability, and shame is the exact antithesis

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of accountability.

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Right on.

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That's a percent.

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It is absolute antithesis of accountability. When you rowe someone

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accountable for their actions, it is a different thing because

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then you can actually look.

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At what you've said or done.

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Shaming you, you know, it's like taking blame when you

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blame somebody. Now it's an argument take the blame I

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did that once with a client. They screwed up, and

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they screwed up huge, and I could have thrown it

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in their face. And I turned around and said, you

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know what, I'm going to take responsibility for this. I

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never should have let you make that decision. I should

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have stopped you. They immediately took it back. No, no, no,

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I'm the boss.

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I did it, got it.

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It's that dynamic of opening somebody's eyes and they trying

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to tell them what they've done is one thing. When

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they see it, then they can understand it. And that's between,

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you know, with shame and accountability. You know, one of

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the things that I had, you know, because I'm looking

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at the things you were doing, and you've said that

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visibility isn't a mindset issue. No, it's a trauma response.

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Let's unpack what that means.

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Well, when people are afraid of being invisible again, what's

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underneath that? It's shame because shame tells you to hide.

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Shame tells you to become a false persona so that

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people will like you. People pleasing one on one. You know,

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women are terrible for that with people, please and shame.

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I also said, it's the opposite of accountability, but it's

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also the exact antithesis of authenticity. When you're carrying shame,

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you cannot show up authentically. So even if you're doing

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the things, even if you're forcing yourself to do the

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lives to show up, you will not be showing up

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as who you really are. You will be showing up

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as a mask of yourself. And that is because of shame.

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So when you let go of the shame, and that

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shame is a trauma response, because I mean, I talked

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about how shame is the glue that keeps the trauma

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going and it's the main kind of component we're taught

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from a childhood to carry this shame, especially if you

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were skapegoaded in your family, you will have borne the

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burden of all that intergenerational trauma that no one else

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wants to look at. And you know, shame is the

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reason why people become alcoholics, you know, because when we drink,

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it gives us a temporary from Ireland, you know, shame

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gives you a temporary relief. It puts the mute button

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on shame for those minutes. And then obviously there's the

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shame cycle and the alcoholism that I mean, it doesn't

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solve the problem. It just puts the mute on it

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for for as long as you check out. But shame

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is the root of so much bad and visibility fears.

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It's shame when we were the root of fears about visibility,

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it's it's shame. If people are not showing up or

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you're not connecting with your people, there's probably some shame

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there because for you to be visible, you've have to

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drop that shame to be really you.

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It's a great way to kind of start ending this

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conversation because it is all about being authentically you. There

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is no one else in the world like you. And

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the reality is when you let your light shine, when

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you go out there and do your best, you give

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other people permission to do the same. So as we're

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wrapping up them, what do you want to leave our

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listeners with and how may they reach out to you?

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Well, you don't need shame. You can break up with shame,

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and it's this is if you're serious about excelling and

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becoming the best version, this is the best thing you

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can do because break up with that shame voice and

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you become unshamable. My program is called Reclaim. You're shameless,

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because shameless normally when we call someone shameless, it's just

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because I'm triggered by them or somebody. It's often somebody

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that's carrying a lot of shame, you know, and they're

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like taking off their clothes or something. They're often acting

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out of repressed shame. So we want to reclaim this

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word shameless. Every other word that ends in lass means

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you don't have that saying homeless, don't have a home,

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but shameless, there are often people who are carrying a

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lot of shame. So I want to reclaim this word.

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Reclaim you're shameless, become on shameless, become shameless, and become unshamable.

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And that is how you ignite your true power. So

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I have a website it's trauma matrix dot com. And

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I also have a free gift for people, and that

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is five Signs. So if you've been listening to this

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and think, oh my god, yes I relate to this,

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I have my inner voice is really shaming. And by

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the way, that's how you know the difference between your

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higher self and your so called inner critic. Is it

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shaming you? If it's shaming you, that's the that's the narcissist.

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So five signs that it's time to break up with

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your inner narcist, and you can get that at timeyurl

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dot com, forward slash not Today narc, or reach out

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to me on social media everywhere. I am Trauma dot Matrix,

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so you can find me on Instagram and across the.

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All of Emma's links are going to be live on

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Word of Mom radio, reach out, get the not Today

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narc Get it.

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It's a free gift. Take a look.

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Because breaking up with that inner critic, breaking up and

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letting that narcissist within you that is making you.

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Small, get rid of it.

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Get rid of it and be the biggest and best

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version you can be. Each day we are all works

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in progress and we are all moving forward. Each day

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is a new day to keep going. So every time

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I hear somebody say, oh, you only live once.

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Go for it.

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No, you only die once. You live every day. That's

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why you go for it, and that's why letting go

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of things that aren't serving you is the best thing

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that you can do for yourself. So I love what51200:28:53.839 --> 00:28:56.160



you are doing at the Trauma Matrix and I really51300:28:56.160 --> 00:29:00.279



hope that people reach out because again, you know, being51400:29:00.440 --> 00:29:03.799



the best version of you gives other people permission to51500:29:03.839 --> 00:29:04.799



be their best self.51600:29:05.559 --> 00:29:08.759



So let's bring and go for it.51700:29:08.759 --> 00:29:11.839



So, Emma, thank you so much for taking the time51800:29:11.880 --> 00:29:14.759



to come and share your journey with us. I really51900:29:14.839 --> 00:29:15.680



appreciate it.52000:29:16.279 --> 00:29:18.519



Thank you so much for having me, Dora, it has.52100:29:18.400 --> 00:29:21.240



Been my pleasure. And for all of you tuning in,52200:29:21.720 --> 00:29:23.839



thanks so much for being here. We're going to close52300:29:23.880 --> 00:29:27.640



out with our fabulous theme song from Smith's Sisters and52400:29:27.680 --> 00:29:30.720



the Sunday Drivers. So till next time, This is Dory52500:29:30.759 --> 00:29:33.599



di Carlo saying, go out and create a marvelous you.52600:29:34.200 --> 00:29:34.920



Bye for now.52700:29:38.039 --> 00:29:40.599



She is sure, she is sure, she is strong, she52800:29:40.680 --> 00:29:42.799



is straw, she is true, she is true.52900:29:44.359 --> 00:29:48.160



She is Braise Bray. She is she is you?53000:29:48.640 --> 00:29:52.279



Is you? She is she is sure. She is sure,53100:29:52.359 --> 00:29:54.880



she is strong, she is strong, she is true, she53200:29:54.960 --> 00:29:59.759



is true. She is Braise Bray. She is she is53300:30:00.200 --> 00:30:05.200



she is you is she is she is sure of herself. Yes,53400:30:05.279 --> 00:30:08.519



she takes care of his powerful and strong. Yet she53500:30:08.599 --> 00:30:12.559



knows who she is has integrity, woman, strong and true.53600:30:13.079 --> 00:30:15.680



You know her by name. See this woman is you.53700:30:16.000 --> 00:30:19.319



She is sure, she is strong, he is strong, she53800:30:19.400 --> 00:30:25.000



is true, is true, she is brave, brave, she is,53900:30:24.680 --> 00:30:28.839



she is, she is you, she is, she is, she54000:30:28.960 --> 00:30:32.640



is sure, she is strong, is strong, she is true,54100:30:32.920 --> 00:30:33.759



is true.54200:30:35.119 --> 00:30:38.839



She is brave, she is she is, she is you,54300:30:39.079 --> 00:30:39.599



she is you.54400:30:39.880 --> 00:30:44.359



She is adds value and hope has proved to be brave.54500:30:44.599 --> 00:30:48.559



See it's never too late, never time to behave Reaching54600:30:48.599 --> 00:30:53.160



for dreams doesn't matter. The age believes in herself, unleasht54700:30:53.160 --> 00:30:56.440



from her cage. She is sure, she is, she is strong,54800:30:56.720 --> 00:31:02.079



is strong, she is true, is true, she is brave, bray,54900:31:02.160 --> 00:31:03.240



she is bold.55000:31:03.559 --> 00:31:07.440



She is you, she is you, is you, she is.55100:31:07.440 --> 00:31:10.119



Sure, she is true, she is strong, she is strong,55200:31:10.200 --> 00:31:11.279



she is true.55300:31:11.200 --> 00:31:16.119



Is true. She is brave, is brave, she is she is,55400:31:16.599 --> 00:31:17.319



she is you.

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Founder Trauma Matrix

Emma Lyons is an Inner Power Coach and creator of The Trauma Matrix. She helps high-achieving women break free from the internalized narcissist, the shame voice that controls, humiliates, and exhausts them. A former human-rights law graduate turned trauma-informed healer, Emma exposes the nervous-system patterns behind self-doubt, burnout, and invisibility. Her work blends somatic healing, trauma decoding, and intuitive energy work to help women reclaim clarity, confidence, and self-trust—and finally stop mistaking control for safety.